Was informed on Friday that the frame for my 1963 Sedan DeVille was on its way and that this summer would be it's final voyage before it makes the trip to the salvage yard. The car has always been a project for me and I enjoy the looks it gets from people that have never seen such a land yacht before. So my question that is being posed is this, is it possible to buy another frame for the Caddy Sedan from someone like Mr. Edge and mate it to the body I have or is best to keep this one for parts and buy another one. My wife and I drove this car on my wedding night and holds a special place in my heart for that reason; her suggestion was to buy another one and research out another frame and restore this one from the ground up since I do enjoy working on them. Your thoughts please. 

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Comment by Eric on February 20, 2016 at 2:19am
As much as I hate to see another one go off the road can I be the first one for dibs on the front bumper ends! I hope your frame is not as bad as they say and anything can be repaired with enough time and money
Comment by Tony and Ginny 429 on February 16, 2016 at 4:26pm
I do second Jasons suggestion for a new estimate on the work you are trying to have completed , as you present shop ,has not been much help
They may have taken on more than they can handle ,but should have let you know that early on ,not a year later
The general estimate rule ,is to get three and go with the one in the middle
Part of the problem ,is do you go to a body shop ,a body shop that specializes in older cars OR a restoration shop !
Not sure the average body shop ,can handle a large rust replacement issue
Research the shops in your area that might have the qualifications you are looking for ,and --have done -the rust repair you require
Local Car shows ,can lead you to the shops in your area that should help
i have been reading lately ,that they are restoring cars these days ,that would not have been considered for restoration 5 years ago ,due to there condition then
So a lot of metal and rust removal work is being done ,you just need the correct shop (deep pockets help a lot ,but you can't take it with you LOL !! )
I would remove my car from that shop ASAP, if it was mine ,from the conversation that has taken place with them ,that is indicating they are being deceptive and unknowlegable about what needs to be accomplished with your car
Next they are going to tell you " your Finigin pin needs replacement " LOL !!( just a very old car repair JOKE )
Comment by Jason Edge on February 16, 2016 at 10:03am

I like to say I am an "open minded skeptic", and with that in mind I have never seen an unusable frame from the 44 parts cars I have pulled in, including one that had sat on the ground deeply imbedded in leaves and debris on a mountain side for 20+ years and 2 cars from the Gulf coast with heavy body rust.  I also get several thousand inquires a year for parts ranging from small clips to car bodies, but the only time I have received a request for a frame as I recall was for frames that have been wrecked.  I have also never brought in or dealt much with cars from the North East with the salted roads, nor cars that have been submerged in water.  I would suggest checking out the frame closely yourself and getting a 2nd opinion from an experience frame and body person.

Comment by Chris Codd on February 16, 2016 at 12:26am

I have a very strong feeling the shop was talking about the rear left body mount. They do rust out. Ask me how I know....Anyways, from what I take from it, the shop was probably saying the amount of work to restore the car costs more than the value of the car. Otherwise, I don't see why the shop would avoid business. It's just more cash for them. 

Comment by Tony and Ginny 429 on February 15, 2016 at 10:01pm
There is a spherical jiont ( large ball ) above the rear axel ,that keeps the rear axel in position
It is a single joint ,so i have no idea ,how your shop could tell you that your left Horn is going bad ( there is no left and right side , only a center)
My best guess ,is the spherical joint can be repaired ,as Dave has indicated
,in the post above this
I am not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about your shop ,at this point
They have not complete the work you gave them to do ,in a year ,and now are handing you this line of BS about the work that needs to be completed
Not sure how they could estimate ,the future ,telling you ,you will have a problem with the horn breaking this summer
Have they done Any of the initial work ,you gave them to complete ,at this point ?
If the answer is very little or none ,it time to find a new shop , to evaluate the work that needs to be completed
Comment by Dave Schneider on February 15, 2016 at 8:17pm
Sounds fishy to me as well. If the upper horn is bad a good frame shop can weld a good used horn in. Dave
Comment by Matthew Kurland on February 15, 2016 at 11:51am

See it has been quite some time since I have crawled under the car so I too Tony am very lost at what they are saying. I brought the car in to have the trunk floor replaced since the driver side wheel well has since rotted away. The car has sat at the shop for the better part of a year due to unforeseen things on their end. When the car was dropped off I told them that all that needed to be done was the two holes in the driver side front floor board and the trunk pan/wheel well. The front clip has already been replaced and is sitting in storage just awaiting installation; figured it would be an easy repair. 

Was always under the impression that the frame of the car was an overgrown "x" and being that my baby leaks every fluid it needs the under side is pretty well coated with oil, trans fluid, and anti-freeze. The only "horn" I can possibly think of is the back part of the "x" under the trunk pan may be starting to show some age. 

Comment by Tony and Ginny 429 on February 14, 2016 at 9:28pm
Never heard of a left rear horn in our year cars , can you explain this a bit more
Sounds like mechanics BS to me ,are you repeating what you were told by your mechanic ?
If they found a lot of body filler ,it would be located on the outside fenders and related to the outside panels of the car ,fenders doors etc ,not on the under frame of the car
If the condition of the car is so bad ,why are you to wait until the summer to deal with it ?
I am asking questions because some of this does not sound right to me
I own my 64 for 51 years
Comment by Matthew Kurland on February 14, 2016 at 8:36pm
Apparently the left rear "horn" is starting to go and there thought is that since they have found a lot of body filler that the actual body is not worth the time. Hopefully I can soon take pictures to see what they are talking about.
Comment by Tony and Ginny 429 on February 14, 2016 at 12:50pm
It is difficult for me to understand the frame on our cars ,having to be replaced ,a it is such a substancial chunk of metal
What exactly is the problem ,with yours ,so we may suggest a solution


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